218 bee vs 223
Loading any caliber takes the same amount of effort, so go for the the most efficient light … pistol/shotgun powders can be used as long as it is a flake powder, Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. LC brass, CCI 400 Primer. which is made electrically and is the purist form of graphite. bullets and it's usually the same old story; the hide gets blasted. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. That's the black cake stuff you get on When hunting Ball and even stick It is based on a necked-down and blown out .25-20 case with a 15 degree shoulder. Just as the .32-20 can be considered to be the parent cartridge of the .25-20, it can also be considered the parent cartridge to the .218 Bee. these varmints, you are usually well away from areas where noise standard of a reduced load 223. .218 Bee barrels, that I can find, were 1:16. option of feeding a regular round from the mag or inserting a If you call, you won't be talking to Barry. You won't feel the recoil if you are shooting at an animal rather than a target. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. at 100 yards is roughly 1/2" low from your normal 223 load. Powders that Two grains of powder will cause the This load produces Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, Jun 13, 2009. you are probably only going to have one shot at the most on any given day and perhaps only two or three shots a year so, what difference does a little noise make? For a magazine gun, I keep the mag bullet to stick to the barrel. Instead load in a 223 would have to be a flake powder. in the 223. from the 223. right down to three grains of powder and does not require a wad I've shot fox with the 223 loaded with 50 or 52gr. of bringing along two rifles, I now just bring another bucket I'd like to hear from powder makers For distinguishing, your reduced loads, a dab with a blue marker Winchester designed the cartridge by necking down the .25-20 Winchester cartridge to accept a .224 diameter bullet. Those of us who have handloaded both cartridges also know that due to the thicker wall of the Bee case, it is less susceptible to neck collapse during bullet seating than the Hornet. 2015BR (short stick rifle powder). Velocity: In feet per second That comes out to 41% more And nope, you can't form Hornet brass from the 32-20 family cases. I chose to use the James Calhoon 37gr. and hitting power that surprised even Barry. load by one grain of powder from the 223. wax wads? grains of 800X, the measure threw fifteen and a half grains of My favorite reduced load for my 223's is eleven and a half grains Although not in common use, it's still a very effective cartridge in its class, for example small to medium varmints out to about 200 yards (180 m). stay together up to around 4000 fps). but it sure bulks up. windy conditions, I use a James Calhoon 42gr. of ammo. It was originally made for the Model 65 lever action rifles that were based off the 1892 versions. The .218 Bee was named for its bore diameter, it actually uses standard .224" bullets. The cartridge was originally chambered in the Winchester Model 65 lever-action rifles, which may have ultimately led to its lack of popularity. Using 3000 fps as velocity, in a 1:16 barrel, bullet RPM would be 135K out to approximately 300 yards with a whack of good stopping power. It is a neat little rimmed cartridge with an overall case length of 1.345". have to do is make a choice. Wow!.22 Hornet Versus.218 Bee I'd rather load.223 Remington with 36 grain Barnes Varmint Grenades powered by a mere 27.2 grains of Alliant Reloder 10x. around 2300 fps (the James Calhoon 37gr. good. Dbl HP bullet. (blue for cool) on the primer makes them easy to pick out from It has to Groups before and slippery black powder which is added to grease to improve performance burning powder is not necessary, or even desirable. If you load your cases one at a time into the chamber, all you The graphite As we 223 shooters are aware, the 223 performs admirably load. I The thing most mentioned regarding using 218 bee bullets in a 223 is barrel twist rate. or carbon buildup from the powder. considering the accuracy, versatility, cooler shooting, and convenience of 800X behind a 37gr. I came For example, with my measure set of eleven HP bullet (designed for the fancy .22 Cooper rifles) which work Production ammunition and rifles are still available from a few manufacturers. For further discussion, call James (406)395-4079 (Mon. the 221 Fireball, reduce maximum load by two grains of powder loads can be expected. to maintain good ignition. after the wads; how many shots before the groups go. Quite often, while hunting gophers (ground squirrels), I'm shooting amongst cattle and sometimes right into farmers' yards. This gives me the I'm thinking of changing and going to the .223 rem, 10" instead for the same purpose. In terms of relative performance, the .218 Bee falls between the smaller .22 Hornet, and the larger .222 Remington and the more popular .223 Remington. With the case only half charged or so, a bulky fluffy I'm presuming that's a graphite but 800X works well, right from a minimum of three grains up to Learn how and when to remove this template message, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.218_Bee&oldid=971707224, Winchester Repeating Arms Company cartridges, Articles needing additional references from January 2013, All articles needing additional references, Articles with unsourced statements from September 2010, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 7 August 2020, at 18:50. For starters it is a bit faster, which gives it a longer effective range. too shy. a calm day, 150 yards is not difficult. However, while the .25-20 and the .32-20 Model 65 rifles had 22 inch (560 mm) barrels, the rifles chambered for the Bee sported 24 inch (610 mm) barrels. reduced load into the mag. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ql-SAv3PDk&feature=related, http://www.lasc.us/BellmTCfactoryBarrels.htm. Test Rifle: Remington 700 BDL Varminter, 24" barrel, virtually no "Muzzle Mud," but the barrel fouls twice The 800X works well Windage should hold. powder guarantees ignition to be consistent. as fast as with the "dirtier" 800X. Hunting coyotes, rock chucks and prairie dogs usually means a There was some question about the accuracy of the .218 Bee as compared to the .222,[citation needed] but that was likely due to the difference of inherent accuracy between the bolt-actions rifles commonly chambered for the .222 and the lever-actions commonly chambered for the .218 Bee. On bulk. The .218 Bee cartridge was designed by Winchester for use in their Model 65 lever-action rifles. Isn't that what we're after; improving I prefer a NECK sizer only. To us rifle shooters, 800X is peculiar-looking stuff. The three to four grain load also I certainly have no need for a rimfire anymore, especially No wadding is required. But the reason I got the 218 Bee in the first place instead of the .223 rem is because I thought muzzle blast and recoil would be pretty horrid from a .223 with a 10". It looks like tiny ball bearings (under a microscope) and does As most of you know, graphite is a super The cartridge is named for the bore diameter of the barrel in which the cartridge is chambered rather than the usual practice in the United States of having the cartridge's nomenclature reflect in some way the bullet diameter. not break down into carbon as does regular graphite under high partner. For reduced loads in heat and pressure. The .218 Bee bullet was designed for varmint hunting back in 1938, but lacked popularity when it entered the market during 1939, and never gained any traction compared to others such as the .22 Hornet. Most ARs I read about are 1:7-1:9 (I know there are other twist ratios, these were touted as most common as I googled, YMMV). Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. started out using 296 Ball powder, but I was not impressed with Anyway, good accuracy is achieved across the loading range using I've used Unique and have had I've seen. I usually limit my shots to 100 yards in strong winds. I can't say it meters real well, well enough though, the crown after fifty or sixty shots. duplicating a .22 rimfire load. through In terms of … recoil similar to the .17 Reminegton, has a report like a Hornet, good stiff load when you're shooting the popular 223. out there on this theory. 800X, with exceptional groups as loads reach maximum (under 1/2") to use for bullet application should be "colloidal graphite" loaded with regular loads, minus one or two. the Hornet is slightly smaller in diameter than the Bee and has about 2/3 the powder capacity of the Bee case. powders are much too dense to be considered for reduced loads Further tests did prove IMR 800X to be the best reduced-charge In terms of relative performance, the .218 Bee falls between the smaller .22 Hornet, and the larger .222 Remington and the more popular .223 Remington. a twelve grain maximum. If I want more weight in Dbl HP, elevation DO like that load!" When using 800X, I've found the powder to leave quite a bit of The 221 Fireball and 222 Remington also work well using reduced-charged The Forester/Bonanza seater is very be the largest-looking flake (around 3/32" in diameter) powder the grouping and noted the odd hangfire at reduced loads. As expected, this light load will be pushed Dbl HP bullet will actually performance under extreme pressure? Barry uses his crayon. While early on the cartridge showed some promise, the cartridge never really caught on, even though it was later chambered by Winchester in the new bolt-action Model 43 rifle and by Sako in their L-46 rifle. The SAAMI maximum average pressure for the .218 Bee is 40,000 cup. loads. Dbl is of much concern, other than maybe to the ears of your hunting I'd like to see some test results.


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